Why are we treating obvious athletes as "students"?

[stever20]

What my house is made of? Providence did exactly what St. John's won't. Trash all the nonsense and start fresh. If you can talk to me about Cooley and dirty recruiting, then, please, inform us all. I hate Keno, the program was a mess, but we figured it out. Your turn.

Was it not two providence recruits who were suspended for sexually assaulting a student? But lavin recruiting academic question marks makes him a sleazeball? That makes him a dirty recruiter? Providence hasnt had any of those?

I am far from a Lavin supporter, but this sleazeball, car salesmen nonsense is so fabricated. People dont like him because he slicks his hair back and he talks for long period of time. Sure takes risks in recruiting and hes not a good in game coach. But shit, sure beats watching norm Roberts sweat it out.

People like to forget:
Lavin- 5 sweet sixteens
Rest of BE coaches : 8 sweet sixteens

let's take a look at your stat...
Lavin yes with 5 sweet 16's. The last one though was when a kid entering college now was 6. All were at UCLA. Pretty meaningless now.
All 8 of the other BE coaches sweet 16's have been in the last 10 years. Just a smidge more relevant.

In Lavin's 11 years as a coach he's had 3 top 3 recruiting classes. But his overall record is only 216-138(.610). He's 36-36 in conference play at St John's and .589 overall in conference play. He's just not that good of a coach.

[NJRedman]

What my house is made of? Providence did exactly what St. John's won't. Trash all the nonsense and start fresh. If you can talk to me about Cooley and dirty recruiting, then, please, inform us all. I hate Keno, the program was a mess, but we figured it out. Your turn.

Was it not two providence recruits who were suspended for sexually assaulting a student? But lavin recruiting academic question marks makes him a sleazeball? That makes him a dirty recruiter? Providence hasnt had any of those?

I am far from a Lavin supporter, but this sleazeball, car salesmen nonsense is so fabricated. People dont like him because he slicks his hair back and he talks for long period of time. Sure takes risks in recruiting and hes not a good in game coach. But shit, sure beats watching norm Roberts sweat it out.

People like to forget:
Lavin- 5 sweet sixteens
Rest of BE coaches : 8 sweet sixteens

let's take a look at your stat...
Lavin yes with 5 sweet 16's. The last one though was when a kid entering college now was 6. All were at UCLA. Pretty meaningless now.
All 8 of the other BE coaches sweet 16's have been in the last 10 years. Just a smidge more relevant.

In Lavin's 11 years as a coach he's had 3 top 3 recruiting classes. But his overall record is only 216-138(.610). He's 36-36 in conference play at St John's and .589 overall in conference play. He's just not that good of a coach.

Stever, what are you doing here? I thought we were all horrible and that i raped CSNBBS of all it's Big East posters? I mean it's not like they could have left because we were treated poorly by other posters over there at all.Go back to CSNBBS where you get along with all the ACC and AAC trolls.

This is where I disagree with a lot of the Big East fans. I'm sorry- but I see a lot more value in going up against Memphis, Temple, UConn, Cincy, SMU now than Butler, Creighton, and Xavier.

why shouldn't I post there for my conference. Why do you have to be a fan boy to get to post on that site? I'm sorry but that's just a load of crap. Meanwhile I could post only on this site which you and others raped of all the posters- which was total crap and you know it.....

[Amase2]

What my house is made of? Providence did exactly what St. John's won't. Trash all the nonsense and start fresh. If you can talk to me about Cooley and dirty recruiting, then, please, inform us all. I hate Keno, the program was a mess, but we figured it out. Your turn.

Was it not two providence recruits who were suspended for sexually assaulting a student? But lavin recruiting academic question marks makes him a sleazeball? That makes him a dirty recruiter? Providence hasnt had any of those?

I am far from a Lavin supporter, but this sleazeball, car salesmen nonsense is so fabricated. People dont like him because he slicks his hair back and he talks for long period of time. Sure takes risks in recruiting and hes not a good in game coach. But shit, sure beats watching norm Roberts sweat it out.

People like to forget:
Lavin- 5 sweet sixteens
Rest of BE coaches : 8 sweet sixteens

let's take a look at your stat...
Lavin yes with 5 sweet 16's. The last one though was when a kid entering college now was 6. All were at UCLA. Pretty meaningless now.
All 8 of the other BE coaches sweet 16's have been in the last 10 years. Just a smidge more relevant.

In Lavin's 11 years as a coach he's had 3 top 3 recruiting classes. But his overall record is only 216-138(.610). He's 36-36 in conference play at St John's and .589 overall in conference play. He's just not that good of a coach.

Honestly I couldn't care less if you win 60% of your games with great talent or 60% with bad talent. I just want to win 60%. Thats why I think lavin can be successful at SJU. He has the potential to out recruit his shortcomings as a game coach. Which trust me I'm fully aware of.

[stever20]

winning 60% in a 33 game season is only going like 20-13. 60% sounds good but really it's not.

[DudeAnon]

winning 60% in a 33 game season is only going like 20-13. 60% sounds good but really it's not.

can we ban this troll yet?

This is where I disagree with a lot of the Big East fans. I'm sorry- but I see a lot more value in going up against Memphis, Temple, UConn, Cincy, SMU now than Butler, Creighton, and Xavier.

You prefer UCONN over Xavier? Yea, no shit, who doesn't. But stop acting like beyond UCONN the conference stacks up. Because it doesn't. Using your comparison (which obviously leaves out the absolute awful teams in the AAC and the Best Teams in the Big East, because that wouldn't make you look right)

NCAA Wins past 10 years:
Memphis: 16 (Good job Calipari)
Cincy: 5
Temple: 2
SMU: 0

Butler: 14 (good job Stevens)
Xavier: 13
Creighton: 3

You don't know shit about basketball you are just a media whore who cares more about ratings. Starting to think you might be Skip Bayless.

[stever20]

winning 60% in a 33 game season is only going like 20-13. 60% sounds good but really it's not.

can we ban this troll yet?

This is where I disagree with a lot of the Big East fans. I'm sorry- but I see a lot more value in going up against Memphis, Temple, UConn, Cincy, SMU now than Butler, Creighton, and Xavier.

You prefer UCONN over Xavier? Yea, no shit, who doesn't. But stop acting like beyond UCONN the conference stacks up. Because it doesn't. Using your comparison (which obviously leaves out the absolute awful teams in the AAC and the Best Teams in the Big East, because that wouldn't make you look right)

NCAA Wins past 10 years:
Memphis: 16 (Good job Calipari)
Cincy: 5
Temple: 2
SMU: 0

Butler: 14 (good job Stevens)
Xavier: 13
Creighton: 3

You don't know shit about basketball you are just a media whore who cares more about ratings. Starting to think you might be Skip Bayless.

Am I wrong though about 60%? 20-13 is hardly a good season now.
Jay Wright .657 at Villanova
JT 3 .701 at Georgetown
Mack .661 at Xavier
McDermott .738 at Creighton

AS you see- most good coaches are at least winning 2/3. In a 33 game season that's 2 more wins. That's a lot of times the difference between NIT and NCAA.

The thing is you can't just take out UConn and their 20 NCAA wins. Also you did forget about USF and their 2 NCAA wins. So the group we jettisoned has 45 wins. The 3 we brought in have 30(actually Xavier has 10 from 2005-14- you were counting 2004 which is 11 years ago- if you say that add 6 to the other group as UConn won it all that year).... And the fact is UConn and Memphis are much stronger names than Butler and Xavier. Much stronger. 45-27 is a HUGE difference. Especially in a sport that values March above anything else.

And remember ECU was fball only and Tulsa wasn't in yet. The conference would have been the C7, Cincy, UConn, Houston, Memphis, SMU, USF, Temple, Tulane, and UCF. Of those 16 teams- 5 tourney teams from last year- and that was in a down year for Georgetown, Marquette, and Temple. PLUS the schedule probably gets at least 1 more team in, if not a 2nd. Preseason top 25 3 teams ranked(Nova, UConn, and SMU) and 3 others getting votes (Memphis, Providence, and Georgetown). Compare to now- 1 team ranked and 2 others getting votes.

[DudeAnon]

winning 60% in a 33 game season is only going like 20-13. 60% sounds good but really it's not.

can we ban this troll yet?

This is where I disagree with a lot of the Big East fans. I'm sorry- but I see a lot more value in going up against Memphis, Temple, UConn, Cincy, SMU now than Butler, Creighton, and Xavier.

You prefer UCONN over Xavier? Yea, no shit, who doesn't. But stop acting like beyond UCONN the conference stacks up. Because it doesn't. Using your comparison (which obviously leaves out the absolute awful teams in the AAC and the Best Teams in the Big East, because that wouldn't make you look right)

NCAA Wins past 10 years:
Memphis: 16 (Good job Calipari)
Cincy: 5
Temple: 2
SMU: 0

Butler: 14 (good job Stevens)
Xavier: 13
Creighton: 3

You don't know shit about basketball you are just a media whore who cares more about ratings. Starting to think you might be Skip Bayless.

Am I wrong though about 60%? 20-13 is hardly a good season now.
Jay Wright .657 at Villanova
JT 3 .701 at Georgetown
Mack .661 at Xavier
McDermott .738 at Creighton

AS you see- most good coaches are at least winning 2/3. In a 33 game season that's 2 more wins. That's a lot of times the difference between NIT and NCAA.

The thing is you can't just take out UConn and their 20 NCAA wins. Also you did forget about USF and their 2 NCAA wins. So the group we jettisoned has 45 wins. The 3 we brought in have 30(actually Xavier has 10 from 2005-14- you were counting 2004 which is 11 years ago- if you say that add 6 to the other group as UConn won it all that year).... And the fact is UConn and Memphis are much stronger names than Butler and Xavier. Much stronger. 45-27 is a HUGE difference. Especially in a sport that values March above anything else.

And remember ECU was fball only and Tulsa wasn't in yet. The conference would have been the C7, Cincy, UConn, Houston, Memphis, SMU, USF, Temple, Tulane, and UCF. Of those 16 teams- 5 tourney teams from last year- and that was in a down year for Georgetown, Marquette, and Temple. PLUS the schedule probably gets at least 1 more team in, if not a 2nd. Preseason top 25 3 teams ranked(Nova, UConn, and SMU) and 3 others getting votes (Memphis, Providence, and Georgetown). Compare to now- 1 team ranked and 2 others getting votes.

*Yawn*, but that didn't happen brah. Get used to it. Doesn't give you the right to be delusional. UCONN is great, no shit, but they don't want The Big East or the AAC, they want the ACC or BIG 12. You are like the kid who is always bragging about his friend's accomplishments. Your friend was really cool, but you're not and he doesn't like you anymore.

[stever20]

to me that was a major mistake. I think we thought a lot smaller than we should have. What happened last year is exactly what I was afraid of from the minute they announced the split. I think people on here are way too focused on UCF, USF, Houston, and Tulane- and not focused enough on Temple, UConn, Memphis, Cincy. SMU kind of it's own animal. Folks don't look at the Big East and ding us because of DePaul. I think people on here focus too much on depth, and not enough on quality at the top. They'd rather have a conference where 8th and 9th place teams are 6-12 or 7-11 and beating top 7 teams quite a bit.

I do think the C7 presidents worried too much about the weaker schools and didn't care as much about the better programs. To me- that's just as big of a mistake as going for the almighty dollar over real exposure in going with FS1. I think those were 2 massive mistakes which long term could really hurt us.

[DudeAnon]

to me that was a major mistake. I think we thought a lot smaller than we should have. What happened last year is exactly what I was afraid of from the minute they announced the split. I think people on here are way too focused on UCF, USF, Houston, and Tulane- and not focused enough on Temple, UConn, Memphis, Cincy. SMU kind of it's own animal. Folks don't look at the Big East and ding us because of DePaul. I think people on here focus too much on depth, and not enough on quality at the top. They'd rather have a conference where 8th and 9th place teams are 6-12 or 7-11 and beating top 7 teams quite a bit.

I do think the C7 presidents worried too much about the weaker schools and didn't care as much about the better programs. To me- that's just as big of a mistake as going for the almighty dollar over real exposure in going with FS1. I think those were 2 massive mistakes which long term could really hurt us.

Maybe it was a mistake, or maybe they know that the good schools are going to leave at the first chance they get and be left with less money and weaker schools.

The whole point is, it didn't happen, so why bother focusing on it? Wouldn't it be more fun to talk about stuff that is within the realm of possibility?