Closed Scrimmages

[stever20]

Villanova vs Northwood is on Fox Sports 1.

There were no better coaches than Rollie since I've been following college hoops. Masterful strategy, absolutely never got outcoached. I think he never lost to a lower seed in the NCAA's, while having a bunch of upsets of higher seeds. Some of his greatest years have been forgotten (overshadowed by the 85 run), like in '88 when Villanova made an Elite-8... they had a 2nd-round win vs Illinois where they came back in the last 10 minutes down by around 10 points... in the Sweet-16 game he beat Eddie Sutton and Kentucky... 2 days later Villanova led at the half against eventual runner-up Oklahoma and Billy Tubbs... the 88 Villanova team had senior Mark Plansky, who was I think the last guy from the 85 champs, plus Doug West was the man that year...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/col ... ching.html

"It could be argued that Massimino has had more success at Northwood than he did at any of his previous coaching stops, including Villanova. The Seahawks are 227-48 in his eight seasons since he helped create the program. "That first year we practiced at the Jewish community center and outdoors on the tennis courts," Massimino said. "We had six kids. The next year, we went to the national tournament."

His teams have been to the NAIA Division II tournament in each of his eight seasons and won six league titles. The Seahawks reached the national title game in 2012 before losing to Oregon Tech. During his tenure at Northwood, he was diagnosed with lung cancer and had surgery in September 2011. "I haven't beaten it," he said. "I still have it. I see the doctor every three months."

How about this fact about Rollie...
You are right Billyjack about him never losing to a lower seed- at least while at Nova. He went to the tourney 11 times at Nova. won 1 time. Knocked out by a #1 seed 6 times and #2 seed 2 times. Only in '90 when they were a 12 seed did they get knocked out by anything lower than a 2(a 5 seed in the 1st round- only time he didn't win a game). (1 time was pre '79 with no seedings- 1978- he lost to Duke in the regional final).

[billyjack]

Villanova vs Northwood is on Fox Sports 1.

There were no better coaches than Rollie since I've been following college hoops. Masterful strategy, absolutely never got outcoached. I think he never lost to a lower seed in the NCAA's, while having a bunch of upsets of higher seeds. Some of his greatest years have been forgotten (overshadowed by the 85 run), like in '88 when Villanova made an Elite-8... they had a 2nd-round win vs Illinois where they came back in the last 10 minutes down by around 10 points... in the Sweet-16 game he beat Eddie Sutton and Kentucky... 2 days later Villanova led at the half against eventual runner-up Oklahoma and Billy Tubbs... the 88 Villanova team had senior Mark Plansky, who was I think the last guy from the 85 champs, plus Doug West was the man that year...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/col ... ching.html

"It could be argued that Massimino has had more success at Northwood than he did at any of his previous coaching stops, including Villanova. The Seahawks are 227-48 in his eight seasons since he helped create the program. "That first year we practiced at the Jewish community center and outdoors on the tennis courts," Massimino said. "We had six kids. The next year, we went to the national tournament."

His teams have been to the NAIA Division II tournament in each of his eight seasons and won six league titles. The Seahawks reached the national title game in 2012 before losing to Oregon Tech. During his tenure at Northwood, he was diagnosed with lung cancer and had surgery in September 2011. "I haven't beaten it," he said. "I still have it. I see the doctor every three months."

How about this fact about Rollie...
You are right Billyjack about him never losing to a lower seed- at least while at Nova. He went to the tourney 11 times at Nova. won 1 time. Knocked out by a #1 seed 6 times and #2 seed 2 times. Only in '90 when they were a 12 seed did they get knocked out by anything lower than a 2(a 5 seed in the 1st round- only time he didn't win a game). (1 time was pre '79 with no seedings- 1978- he lost to Duke in the regional final).

For all the press that Syracuse gets nowadays (justifiably) by their pom-pom waving sportscaster friends, it was Georgetown, St John's and Villanova that did the heavy lifting back then in the NCAA's. Under Boeheim, until '87, Syracuse would suck every year in the NCAA's... I don't think Boeheim ever upset a higher-seeded team from 79 to 87... and had killer losses...

1979 upset by 9-seed Penn (SU was a 4-seed),
1980 upset by 5-seed Iowa (SU was a 1-seed)...
1983 lost to 3-seed Ohio State (SU was a 6-seed),
1984 upset by 7-seed Virginia (SU was a 3-seed, big loss for BE vs ACC),
1985 lost to 2-seed Georgia Tech (SU was a 7-seed)...
1986 upset by 7-seed Navy at the Carrier Dome (SU was a 2-seed).

Boeheim's NCAA wins in that time were:
1979 beat 5-seed Connecticut.
1980 beat 8-seed Villanova.
1983 beat 11-seed Morehead State.
1984 beat 6-seed VCU.
1985 beat 10-seed DePaul.
1986 beat 15-seed Brown.

Massimino was in a different league than Boeheim.

[stever20]

You can make a really good case it was really only Georgetown and Villanova...

St John's-
80 as a 3 seed lost to 6 seed Purdue
82 as a 5 seed won vs 12 Penn but lost to 4 seed Alabama
83 as a 1 seed won vs 9 Rutgers but lost to 4 seed Georgia
84 as 9 seed lost to 8 seed Temple
86 as a 1 seed won vs 16 Montana St but lost to 8 seed Auburn
87 as a 6 seed won vs 11 Wichita St but lost to 3 seed DePaul
88 as a 11 seed lost to 6 seed Florida

yes St John's had 85- but had 3 other good seeds but they didn't capitalize on. should have won 1 more game in 80, 2 more in 83(getting to final 4), 3 more in 86(getting to final 4).

Where the Big East was so good though was the depth- besides Georgetown and Nova
85- St John's
87- Providence and Syracuse
89- Seton Hall

even Boston College had elite 8 trip. Pitt made the NCAA tourney. Only UConn didn't make the tourney in the 80's.

[ljay]

News leaking out tonight that Creighton and Iowa closed scrimmage ended in a tie today. If true that is very heartening news for Jays fans as I believe Iowa is #25 in the preseason with the team intact less Roy Marble from last year.

Edit: now hearing Iowa won. Soooo, like all of these who the hell knows, lol!!

[Omaha1]

News leaking out tonight that Creighton and Iowa closed scrimmage ended in a tie today. If true that is very heartening news for Jays fans as I believe Iowa is #25 in the preseason with the team intact less Roy Marble from last year.

So Creighton will maybe better be than 9th place?

[Gibbsyonemoreyear!]

Closed scrimmages I believe are for learning purposes. I hope the coach took some chances and if that meant getting beat it's fine. It's a formative assessment that will allow them to analyze the results and make adjustments accordingly.

[FlyJays]

Jeff Goodman just tweeted that Creighton and Iowa tied, and that the best players on the floor were Creighton's Devin Brooks and Iowa's Aaron White.

I'd say that bodes well for the Jays. Iowa is an expected NCAA tournament team.

[chicagojayfan]

Jeff Goodman just tweeted that Creighton and Iowa tied, and that the best players on the floor were Creighton's Devin Brooks and Iowa's Aaron White.

I'd say that bodes well for the Jays. Iowa is an expected NCAA tournament team.

Agreed. I think Iowa has a shot at top 25 this year and should be in the tournament. They lost Marble, but return an excellent veteran bunch, tough and deep front line and some good guards. They struggled defensively and won't be great this year, but should be better this year. Offensively they can score bunches of points on just about anyone. I think this is a good data point on the talent Creighton has this year.

[Professor_Bulldog]

Its also a closed scrimmage game. So there that