St. John's / Duke rivalry continuing.

[BillikensWin]

You guys can look at it anyway you'd like but both myself AND the Big East look at it differently. If GTown was the 2 or 3 seed they would still be putting down Big East Champs 2012-2013 and are still displaying the trophy. All three teams had the same exact conference record, they all won and lost the same amount of conference games. One was not better than the others. Sorry if you want to look at it in a flawed light, but TECHNICALLY there are ties in conference standings. As far as the conference is concerned, three teams finished in third place and there was no fourth or fifth place team. Seeding is purely for the tournament.

One more time. THEY ALL HAD THE SAME RECORD!!!!!!!

This is quite enjoyable to see someone care this much about it.

Well done, Redman. Well done.

(And ties don't exist )

[NJRedman]

You guys can look at it anyway you'd like but both myself AND the Big East look at it differently. If GTown was the 2 or 3 seed they would still be putting down Big East Champs 2012-2013 and are still displaying the trophy. All three teams had the same exact conference record, they all won and lost the same amount of conference games. One was not better than the others. Sorry if you want to look at it in a flawed light, but TECHNICALLY there are ties in conference standings. As far as the conference is concerned, three teams finished in third place and there was no fourth or fifth place team. Seeding is purely for the tournament.

One more time. THEY ALL HAD THE SAME RECORD!!!!!!!

This is quite enjoyable to see someone care this much about it.

Well done, Redman. Well done.

(And ties don't exist )

It's not caring, it's about people who are pretty much wrong. If any of our schools got a Big East regular season trophy and was seeded 2nd or 3rd, they would still call themselves big east champs. Thats the truth. The schools and conferences do not agree with you guys at all.

[BillikensWin]

Of course the schools are going to take what sounds better. You (and everyone else) are not breaking new ground.

Does tied for 3rd sound better than 5th? You're damn right it does.

I know it's professional sports, but St. Louis took a lot of heat nationally when the Cardinals tied Houston and called themselves "co-champions" of the NL Central when they played in the playoffs as a wild card based on tiebreakers.

[redmen9194]

Well lets put it to rest this way. In 2013, Marquette, Georgetown and Louisville all tied for the regular season championship. Under the tie breaker rules, the Hoyas got the #1 seed, the Cards got the #2 seed and Quette got the #3 seed. So, was Georgetown the only regular season champion since they are the only ones who finished in first? Well I was at the Garden when Quette beat the Johnnies in OT to become regular season co-champions and they were given a trophy right there. Also, there would be no reason for "tie breaking procedures" if the teams did not "tie" for a specific place.

[hoyahooligan]

Well lets put it to rest this way. In 2013, Marquette, Georgetown and Louisville all tied for the regular season championship. Under the tie breaker rules, the Hoyas got the #1 seed, the Cards got the #2 seed and Quette got the #3 seed. So, was Georgetown the only regular season champion since they are the only ones who finished in first? Well I was at the Garden when Quette beat the Johnnies in OT to become regular season co-champions and they were given a trophy right there. Also, there would be no reason for "tie breaking procedures" if the teams did not "tie" for a specific place.

The point is in reality where results matter the ties are in fact broken therefore they are no longer tied. That's the point of a tiebreaker. To put one team ahead of another with the same record based on their merit over the team that had the same record. Sure technically there are ties and shares of championships. But all your technicalities can't make me acknowledge them.

Plus everyone knows the Marquette and Louisville trophies were plastic replicas of Georgetown's real trophy. Only one real champion. This is highlander. There can only be one.

[NJRedman]

Well lets put it to rest this way. In 2013, Marquette, Georgetown and Louisville all tied for the regular season championship. Under the tie breaker rules, the Hoyas got the #1 seed, the Cards got the #2 seed and Quette got the #3 seed. So, was Georgetown the only regular season champion since they are the only ones who finished in first? Well I was at the Garden when Quette beat the Johnnies in OT to become regular season co-champions and they were given a trophy right there. Also, there would be no reason for "tie breaking procedures" if the teams did not "tie" for a specific place.

The point is in reality where results matter the ties are in fact broken therefore they are no longer tied. That's the point of a tiebreaker. To put one team ahead of another with the same record based on their merit over the team that had the same record. Sure technically there are ties and shares of championships. But all your technicalities can't make me acknowledge them.

Plus everyone knows the Marquette and Louisville trophies were plastic replicas of Georgetown's real trophy. Only one real champion. This is highlander. There can only be one.

You can not acknowledge gravity, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Tie breakers are for seeding purposes only. When you do the same exact thing as someone else you can't say you did it better. The conference recognizes ties, they don't care what you or I think. Those ties are in the record books.

[redmen9194]

I like the highlander reference! Considering that one of the last tie breaker procedures is a coin flip, a tie is a tie is a tie.

[SJHooper]

I wouldn't call it a full-blown rivalry but there is definitely more of a sense of a mini rivalry than the feeling of "just another game" between the two. I have spoken with Duke fans before and when they find out I'm a SJ fan they say "You guys are dangerous...you always play us close it seems". We are kind of a thorn to them. In the past few decades we have had lots of close call losses and a few huge wins. For those new to the Big East (Creighton, Xavier, and Butler fans or those who forgot), St. John's absolutely smacked Duke around at the Garden in 2011. Smashed them. Throttled them. Won by 20. So don't be so fast to write the game off as an automatic L for us. It's worth watching. They also just lost to Mercer! Yes we will always lose much more than we beat them, but it does happen. And we are a team that needs one of those marquee wins to put a "wow" factor on our resume. Duke and Cuse are great to have on your schedule. Even if you get blown out in both, you show that you are trying to compete with the best and the crowds will obviously come.

1 win per every 10 losses vs. Duke is still worth it IMO. Just for recruits to see that we play the top teams in the country goes to show the Big East is not mid major and gives SJ more exposure. We play our best ball at the Garden and all the pressure will be on them not us. I'll always be willing to take a chance. The payoff if we win is much bigger than the consequences if we lose. Win, and you make national headlines and ESPN has you on the front page and all over Sports Center in addition to being a gem on your resume. Lose and you were supposed to lose anyway...no big deal.