OT - Game of Thrones anyone?

[Friarsfan94]

I actually thought Cersei’s death was perfect! Did I want her to suffer or get taken out by Arya/Jaime like EVERYONE’s been theorizing about? Yeah-initially, but I thought the irony of her being crushed by the kingdom she had built all crashing down on her, I have accepted as being the best possible way for her to go out.

Also, if you didn’t see this coming from Dany...I just don’t know what to say. I don’t know exactly how to explain it, but it’s like everyone wants to be ignorant to all of the signs that Dany would do this just because she also showed signs of being “not her father.” I mean COME ON! SHE LITERALLY FILETTED ASTAPOR. DISMANTLED MEEREEN. This is where she ALWAYS was headed.

[scoscox]

I could see it coming a little bit and I never liked Dany anyway. Jon snow was always my guy after Robb Stark bit it. I’m like the mormonts in that I only care about the king in the north

[Friarsfan94]

I could see it coming a little bit and I never liked Dany anyway. Jon snow was always my guy after Robb Stark bit it. I’m like the mormonts in that I only care about the king in the north

Season 1: Dany burns Mirri Maz Duur
Season 2: House of the Undying to ashes
Season 3: Astapor, bye-bye
Season 4: Crucifies masters in Mereen
Season 5: Noblemen of Mereen? Dracarus
Season 6: Vaes Dothrak crisped
Season 7: Burnt the whole wagon train
Season 8: Mad King part 2: Mad Queen

[scoscox]

i mean yeah, it was still kind of a big jump to go from somewhat justified killings to just mass genocide of women and children after they had surrendered

[Friarsfan94]

Alright, so here’s my final take. First off, thank you Game if Thrones for my favorite TV show ever, I wish it wasn’t over. Now that that’s said, that’s part of my main issue-it really shouldn’t be over. They really condensed too much into a too small of a set number of episodes. I won’t say it ruined the show, because I was still glued to it and enjoyed it every week, but there was definitely a level of disappointment in that each week I had many obvious woulda/coulda/shoulda/whatthe’s that the show needed to go into.

This 8th season should have been a much more elaborate buildup to the season 8 Battle of Winterfell finale. Season 9 would then be an elaborated, detailed episodes 4&5. Finally, last night’s episode could have been made into an entire season, giving what was such a beautiful, elaborate series, the ending it deserved.

I liked all of the plot points and story arcs, but the last 3 minutes of the show doesn’t make up for the rushed season we got overall in getting there (and really a somewhat rushed last 3 season). It’s easy to say “it sucked because they went past the books,” but there’s an underlying reason as to why. In researching about the writers, writing styles, ideas, and input from writers, directors, Martin himself, and the books, here is my conclusion:

There are two styles of writing of which most writers fall under one or the other of-pantsers and plotters. In the most basic terms, pantsing is when the growth of the character builds the story; plotting is when the the story is already developed/the ending is known, and the writers work off that to develop the characters. George Martin is quite possibly the greatest pantser in all of writing. He puts the readers inside the minds of each character, and we feel as if we are growing with them and seeing their perspectives. He writes as if he is the character and he makes a decision that the character would make to build that character up and tell their story, rather than writing it from what George Martin wants the character to do. Weiss and Benioff are plotters. This is basically when you already have the conclusion of the plot set, and sort of work backwards to tell the story. When Weiss and Benioff were basing their show on Martin’s published novels in seasons 1-5, the show was untouchable. Once they didn’t have the novels anymore, even though they had Martin’s blessings, they are plotters, and they plotted the ending of the series. That is where it started to trail off into the rushjob of an 8th season.

Martin has already said his ending will most likely not be much different, but it’s the buildup to getting there that will provide much more detail and reasoning. My last wish for this show, is that much farther down the line, when Martin does finally finish Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring, that they redo the entire series start to finish based 100% on Martin’s novels.

[MUBoxer]

Disappointed. But there were 5.5-6 great seasons of TV (depends how you think of dorne) in retrospect it would've been better had they sped up both season 7 and season 8 at the same rate. But also we've known for two years how short that season 8 was going to be and we've known since before the season started that it was too short of episodes (despite their movie length claim) so honestly I blame myself for letting expectations be so high. If season 7 and 8 had 10 episodes each I think it would've been better balanced. But realistically a season should've gone to the night king and a season to the battle for Kong's landing and I have trouble believing that their initial storyboard didn't have it payed out as such.

[billyjack]

Looking a the series as a whole, i enjoyed it. But i don't think i'd recommend that anyone binge-watch 70 hours.

The ending to me was fine. I didn't want some lunatic tyrant still in control. It was hopeful, just showed solid governance finally, probably to include the standard bureaucratic world of garbage removal, snow plowing, and general bean counting. I really didn't want a Highlander or Avengers type culminating final scene.

The annoying thing for the series in general was the long unnecessary slogs of wasted time showing Arya washing faces for 2 seasons all so that she could whack one dude. Or the seasons of Khaleesi stalling in Mereen and Qaarth. Or Robb Stark d-cking around in the Midlands instead of getting his ass down to King's Landing. Or watching the never ending sadism of Ramsay Bolton. There were so many episodes where nothing happened. Just sometimes tiresome storylines dragged out to squeeze every ounce of juice from them.

There were characters that were boring as sh-t, and also some great characters. I enjoyed basically every scene with Tyrion, Tywin, Varys, Diana Rigg, Ned Stark, Joffrey, Khal Drogo, the Sand Snake Woman, Robert Baratheon.